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24 Jul 2010, 1:51 PM
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default template?? You mean classic?? Did you rename the custom_template directories to match the name of your template directory??

nwms8:

Hm, I'm having the same problems again with additional images not showing up. This is on a new install, default template.

I'll try again tomorrow, too late tonight to try any more.

*Removing image handler from database in IH admin got additional images to appear on the webpage.

24 Jul 2010, 3:10 PM
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DivaVocals:

dumped and broken is a LOT of an exxageration.

I have to agree...
while I'm not exactly thrilled with IH2 and it's apparent flaky'ness,
it has been working well for years now.

On top of that, to everyone...
the developers on here aren't getting paid to take everyone's crap...
about a mod that's totally free.

Lastly, (in defense of the crap-givers)...
ZenCart may be an experiment/learning experience to some developers, but it's still an eCommerce system...
that means some people's entire livelyhood ride on this... tempers run high, because there's a LOT at stake sometimes.

Anyway, I would hope the ZenCart team have integrated IH2 (hover / lightbox) functionality in the next major release...
it's honestly getting harder to deal with ZC these days... there are a handful of Web 3.0 options out there now, while ZenCart is still stuck in Web 1.5... and limping.

500 page support threads on an image/hover mod is absolutely ridiculous.

24 Jul 2010, 3:47 PM
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DivaVocals:

default template?? You mean classic?? Did you rename the custom_template directories to match the name of your template directory??

Yeah, created a brand new zencart + IH v8c and renamed all cases of 'custom_template' into my custom name.

includes/templates/custom_template
modules/custom_template

Used the default template first and had problems with additional images showing up. Created a custom template, and also didn't work. When I turn uninstall IH from admin folder, the additional images then show up. I tried again with v8b and it worked fine; going to try again later tonight when I get back from a celebration.

Shane78:

well im far to hung over to be doing this.. but I will any way
I'm sure I must take your argument seriously because you wrote this nice disclaimer.

However, I would like to point you to this forum
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=2987.0

and this other post
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?P=dfbc360865df3e0558c4190a7da40d39&topic=32991.msg246205#msg246205

Which very clearly explain why having a folder run with 777 is not a security risk.

If you're afraid of outside links, here are some tidbits.

  • But... wait a minute. The three numbers stand for "Owner," "Group," and "Everyone." Doesn't that mean anyone can write to the files if I make it 777? (writable by all!?)
    Well, technically, yes. But, the person first has to get into your server and be able to touch the file in the first place. They also have to have access to the directory the file is in, and the directory that file is in. At some point, you should have a directory (probably your username) which isn't 777.

    • Isn't it safer, at least, not to use 777? What if a hacker got in?!
      If a hacker gets in and wants to cause you trouble.... there is nothing you can do. You can have the file permissions as strict as you want, but the database will be wide open. So, yeah... you can protect the files that don't change from being deleted, but not your images.
      Which is more important? The files you can download again from here or the data you cannot get back?

    • Isn't it unlikely a hacker would get into my server so much they could delete posts?
      Not that unlikely, but no more or less likely than if they could use 777 to their advantage. Think of the database as ALWAYS 777.


The reason it's okay to have it 777 when you can is because the permissions on the folder it's in matter too. Typically, you'll have a structure like this:

/home/username/public_html

Now, here /home will be 755 or so, meaning everyone can access it but not everyone can create folders/files in it. It'd be owned by the server administrator. So far so good. Next, /home/username should DEFINATELY be owned by username (you) and no one else. The trick is, you can say that your "friend" is "nobody". So, then you make the /home/username directory 770 - this means only YOU and Apache/PHP can access your files, no one else.

From that point, you own every file and directory exclusively, so if a file is 770, nobody won't have access. The above tactic is used to change the "everyone" position to "PHP" instead. It's very very common, and most hosts use it.

In any case, your host requires the use of 755, not 777.


Anyway, I'm very glad IH exists and DivaVocals has been giving so much support on this forum. I don't see why you are complaining when they have heard you and addressed your concerns.

24 Jul 2010, 3:52 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

blackhalo:

I have to agree...
while I'm not exactly thrilled with IH2 and it's apparent flaky'ness,
it has been working well for years now.Exactly!!!

Plus consider that other than the many posted and implemented tweaks to the javascript, scant little of Tim's original code has changed in all the many IH2 updates.

blackhalo:

Lastly, (in defense of the crap-givers)...
ZenCart may be an experiment/learning experience to some developers, but it's still an eCommerce system...
that means some people's entire livelyhood ride on this... tempers run high, because there's a LOT at stake sometimes.
Speaking only for myself, this not an experiment for me. I always want to make sure I offer my client's the best available options for their website's because their livelihoods depend on it, and so I can't experiment with their sites.

My contribution to this mod since Rev 7 has always been about improving the readme documentation because I learned from experience that the key to IH2 success is in the configuration. The readme left much to be desired on that score so I wanted to make it better. So when ckosloff volunteered to undertake updating IH2, I volunteered to help with the documentation..

However, that said, I also firmly do not believe that any of the developers who have worked on IH2 since Tim's original release in 2006 were using this as a learning experience/experiment. Looking at the list of names, these are all skilled folks who's livelihoods also depend on IH2 working correctly..

Simply put it was overlooked or not fully considered that some of Tim's code now no longer works well for current hosting configurations. (which are very different from the world in which IH2/Zen Cart was born) The fact that it worked for them gave NO indication that any issues might exist for others.. So it was never looked into.. This happens ALL THE TIME in software development be it open source or commercial software.. Developers are not perfect.. :no:

No hot tempers here for me..:smile: I'm more interested in making sure we have a good solution. Petty arguments about WHY this happened or who's at fault are not helpful. Here's what is important.. Found the issue, found the cause, so let's address it, publish it and move on.. (at least that's MY plan!:smile:)

blackhalo:

Anyway, I would hope the ZenCart team have integrated IH2 (hover / lightbox) functionality in the next major release...
it's honestly getting harder to deal with ZC these days... there are a handful of Web 3.0 options out there now, while ZenCart is still stuck in Web 1.5... and limping.

500 page support threads on an image/hover mod is absolutely ridiculous.Respectfully I have to agree and disagree with this..:smile:

While I think that image hovering, watermarks and such are nice features, I'm less concerned about them over the core IH2 functionality..

IMO the MOST compelling reason to install IH2 is the image management/image performance features.. The reason I install it for all of my clients is simple. Trying to explain naming conventions and how additional images have to be setup for Zen Cart to recognize them goes over all my client's heads.. Having IH2 means they don't have to know how to name their image files to add additional images to a product. IH2 does the heavy lifting for them on that score.. All I have to do is make sure they know that all the filetypes have to be the same and show them how to upload images. Easy peezy..

As for fancy hovers and lightboxes, IMHO I think the real issue is this.. To really incorporate hover and lightbox capabilities into IH2 either requires a the development of a separate module with these capabilities built in that is designed specifically to work WITH IH2

or

IH2 has to be re-written to include this functionality. Either way, since module development is a volunteer effort it will require that a volunteer decide to dedicate some time to develop such a module and then contribute it to the community.. This would be a fair amount of development, and not many are willing to devote such time to a volunteer effort.. I have paid for custom module development for other clients, and I have been giving some thought to paying a developer to extend IH2's functionality for me..

24 Jul 2010, 4:00 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

nwms8:

Yeah, created a brand new zencart + IH v8c and renamed all cases of 'custom_template' into my custom name.

includes/templates/custom_template
modules/custom_template

Used the default template first and had problems with additional images showing up. Created a custom template, and also didn't work. When I turn uninstall IH from admin folder, the additional images then show up. I tried again with v8b and it worked fine; going to try again later tonight when I get back from a celebration.Interesting.. The ONLY difference between Rev8b and the Rev8c files you now have is two files were changed to address the following:

  1. Fix the issue with watermarks on large additional images
  2. Possible issues with some hosts not setting the file permissions of the bmz_cache folders correctly.
    Honest to goodness, I installed that same fileset on a VIRGIN Zen Cart install, turned it on and it worked.. Hmmmm..

Okay.. well go enjoy your celebration.. Try again later.. Gonna send you a PM too.. :smile:

24 Jul 2010, 4:17 PM
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no offence... But when it comes to topics of web security i will listen to the people that manage my 4 servers over anyone here, including Dr Byte.

as for 'crap giver' if i wanted to damage ZC or IH2 i would happily go about the internet slagging it off.. but i dont... how's about pulling your head out of your arse hole and checking the link in my sig?

i get frustrated with arrogance... and have found DV to be extremely arrogant over the 6 months. I have pointed out flaws, it takes constant nagging for these to get noticed... and only by my blackening of the IH2 name has DV arsed herself to look deeper.

UKF, UH and Don have all replied to my support ticket, reviewing this thread. Each have stated in their personal opinion that the 777 setting this current IH2 mod is creating is a security risk. UKF have even listed possible methods of attacking folders with 777.

Let me be clear, I dont use IH2, but I do care that a mod that is popular MAY be a cause for even the most minor of security problems when it can be avoided. Ask your self this.. would this 777 problem have been looked onto if I had not gone on and on and on...

WOULD IT F***!

NB, webfusion have not yet responded to my ticket, but then that the only account i have sharded server..;. it normally take 48 hrs..

now you can all get back to brown nosing DV. I dont care if i have annoyed upset ppl in this thread.. simply because i feel it was nessessary to get the dam thing looked into.. and it worked!

24 Jul 2010, 4:25 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

I have no wish to tread on anyone's toes or make people upset who have spent hundred's of hours on this mod, but the truth sometimes hurts.

If I install zencart 1.3.9d and the latest version of IH2 only to get an error AFTER FOLLOWING THE INSTALL DIRECTIONS EXACTLY, then am I to blame?

It actually does work for me - as I reported - but now if I try to organise my images (which is the reason for bothering with it in the first place) I get an error.

This is a problem with the mod, and it is maddening to hear otherwise.

Don't forget, I and many others, have persevered with this for many years.

Why is it our fault? Oh, it's free...well, I should be so lucky.

scant little of Tim's original code has changed in all the many IH2 updates.

...but in the end it DOESN'T WORK!

So why not get it up and running properly?

24 Jul 2010, 4:55 PM
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blackhalo wrote:

while I'm not exactly thrilled with IH2 and it's apparent flaky'ness,
it has been working well for years now

and

500 page support threads on an image/hover mod is absolutely ridiculous.

...doesn't this tell you something?

Oh, but it's free so we should be all happy about it.

Look. It doesn't work 100% - end of story.

or why do so many of us get the error:

Error!

Unable to determine the page link!

Function used:

zen_href_link('', '', 'NONSSL')

Dozens of people have written in about this - and got no answers.

The mod is flawed.

24 Jul 2010, 4:59 PM
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tpeck:

This is a problem with the mod, and it is maddening to hear otherwise.

Don't forget, I and many others, have persevered with this for many years.

...
...but in the end it DOESN'T WORK!

So why not get it up and running properly?

tpeck:

Dozens of people have written in about this - and got no answers.

The mod is flawed.
So, your solution is to gripe and bicker about it?
Why not offer something more useful than merely swinging fists?

24 Jul 2010, 5:03 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

No one is blaming you.. Without seeing your store's setup I can't tell you why you are having issues with IH2.. We can only share with you what we know based on our own experiences..

Additionally you are reporting an issue that seems unique to your setup.. (ie: no one else is reporting the same issue you are having..) I installed IH2 on a vanilla store and it worked with no issues.. So how would you suggest one go about fixing an issue that no one else can replicate??

The only issues I CAN replicate (and have addressed) are the two issues I have posted about today..

That said, I can make a few suggestions to help you get to the bottom of your particular issue:

It's possible that other modules are interfering with IH2, and would cause the error message you are seeing.. The only way to know this for sure is to try installing IH2 on a VANILLA Zen Cart install.

tpeck:

I have no wish to tread on anyone's toes or make people upset who have spent hundred's of hours on this mod, but the truth sometimes hurts.

If I install zencart 1.3.9d and the latest version of IH2 only to get an error AFTER FOLLOWING THE INSTALL DIRECTIONS EXACTLY, then am I to blame?

It actually does work for me - as I reported - but now if I try to organise my images (which is the reason for bothering with it in the first place) I get an error.

This is a problem with the mod, and it is maddening to hear otherwise.

Don't forget, I and many others, have persevered with this for many years.

Why is it our fault? Oh, it's free...well, I should be so lucky.

scant little of Tim's original code has changed in all the many IH2 updates.

> 
> So why not get it up and running properly?
24 Jul 2010, 5:09 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Let's be clear..

image hover from medium images HAS NEVER been a feature in IH2. It is clear from Tim's code that it was meant to be a future feature, and it's one that was NEVER added.. (which is VERY different from saying it's broken or never works..) It's been explained ad naseum that it's likely that this particular feature has never been added to the codebase due to the likely conflicts with lightbox modules..

and to answer your question:

"why do so many of us get the error:"

Error!

Unable to determine the page link!

Function used:

zen_href_link('', '', 'NONSSL')

Please show me to the DOZENS of people reporting this particular error???

tpeck:

blackhalo wrote:

and

...doesn't this tell you something?

Oh, but it's free so we should be all happy about it.

Look. It doesn't work 100% - end of story.

or why do so many of us get the error:

Error!

Unable to determine the page link!

Function used:

zen_href_link('', '', 'NONSSL')

> 
> The mod is flawed.
24 Jul 2010, 5:09 PM
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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Dr Byte - you don't understand that I am responding to those who dismiss our concerns about this mod.

Given you have been around so long, I have come to expect better of you. Surely, you of all people understand how free source - and commenting on it - works.

But, go on, beat up on me.

24 Jul 2010, 5:16 PM
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DivaVocals, please just do a search for the error. Dozens have had to deal with this - and, while many have tried to help (god bless 'em), few have met with a solution.

24 Jul 2010, 6:06 PM
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I did look and there seems to be a number of associated reasons for the error, most of these solutions have more to do with image names, and server configurations.. Without more information other than the error message itself, it's hard to troubleshoot this.. (BTW, since most of these posts are not even posted in this support thread it is unfair to assume we've ALL seen them..)

That said if you can provide more information such as:

  • The steps you are taking to upload additional images
  • The file names of your main product image as well as your additional images..
    Perhaps with a little more information, we might help you find a solution.. but honestly if there was a hard and fast answer it would have been resolved.. It's a lot over the top to imply that anyone is dismissing you or purposely trying NOT to help you..

tpeck:

DivaVocals, please just do a search for the error. Dozens have had to deal with this - and, while many have tried to help (god bless 'em), few have met with a solution.

No one's dismissing your concerns, but how would suggest we go about fixing an issue that we can't replicate??

tpeck:

Dr Byte - you don't understand that I am responding to those who dismiss our concerns about this mod.

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One last thing.. Does your host have safe mode enabled??

BTW, this error occurs places other than IH2.. Which is why most of the posted solutions seem to lean towards outside factors contributing to the error.

Post some of the additional information I suggested, and perhaps a solution can be found..

DivaVocals:

I did look and there seems to be a number of associated reasons for the error, most of these solutions have more to do with image names, and server configurations.. Without more information other than the error message itself, it's hard to troubleshoot this.. (BTW, since most of these posts are not even posted in this support thread it is unfair to assume we've ALL seen them..)

That said if you can provide more information such as:

  • The steps you are taking to upload additional images
  • The file names of your main product image as well as your additional images..

Perhaps with a little more information, we might help you find a solution.. but honestly if there was a hard and fast answer it would have been resolved.. It's a lot over the top to imply that anyone is dismissing you or purposely trying NOT to help you..

No one's dismissing your concerns, but how would suggest we go about fixing an issue that we can't replicate??

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

If you want to test the new IH2 fileset, PM me and I'll hit you up with instructions to access the upcoming fileset..

I've installed it on my vanilla Zen test site, and it works like a charm.

This version should fix the following issues:

  • Watermarks on large additional images
  • Issues with some hosting configurations not setting the file permissions of the bmz_cache child folders correctly
    If you want the boring details about why large additional images were not watermarking, let me know, and I'll share.. :smile:

You will have to delete your IH2 cache folders for the permissions changes to be applied.. Do not be afraid.. Deleting the cache DOES NOT delete your images (which are still safely in the "images" folder). IH2 will rebuild the cache as soon as peole browse your product pages..

Once I hear back from the code gurus validating my proposed fixes, and the testers who are trying this new version out, and we're all sure that everything is nailed down, I will bundle it up and submit it to the downloads section..

Now I'm off to a vocal rehearsal.. Have a happy afternoon!

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

So far so good.. developer feeback is confirming the code changes are bueno..

If ya wanna get a sneak peek (fileset will be submitted early next week) PM me.. > DivaVocals:

If you want to test the new IH2 fileset, PM me and I'll hit you up with instructions to access the upcoming fileset..

I've installed it on my vanilla Zen test site, and it works like a charm.

This version should fix the following issues:

  • Watermarks on large additional images
  • Issues with some hosting configurations not setting the file permissions of the bmz_cache child folders correctly

If you want the boring details about why large additional images were not watermarking, let me know, and I'll share.. :smile:

You will have to delete your IH2 cache folders for the permissions changes to be applied.. Do not be afraid.. Deleting the cache DOES NOT delete your images (which are still safely in the "images" folder). IH2 will rebuild the cache as soon as peole browse your product pages..

Once I hear back from the code gurus validating my proposed fixes, and the testers who are trying this new version out, and we're all sure that everything is nailed down, I will bundle it up and submit it to the downloads section..

Now I'm off to a vocal rehearsal.. Have a happy afternoon!
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DivaVocals:

If you want the boring details about why large additional images were not watermarking, let me know, and I'll share..
Long story short, it's my fault, and also that of the guys who ########## a lot but don't beta test.
The fix consists simply in rolling back to the previous version of additional_images.php in rev. 8 and rev. 7.
I made some minor changes for rev. 8b, thinking on hardening php, since it is a loosely typed language I assumed (wrongly) that they would be interpreted by most servers.
I tested in my limited environment and it worked, so I left it there.
Apparently lots of other environments didn't like the changes, so we rolled back and everything is fine again.

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

I've spent a few hours tracking down the reason for the zen_href_link('', '', 'NONSSL') error I was getting when trying to use the Image Manager...

The problem was first(?) noticed and commented about by mrmarcus66 in posts #42 and #56, pages 5 and 6 respectively, in 2006(!) in this very same thread.

Once again I think I found what was causing errors with my installation of IH.

The image file name was:
rubber_latex_arm_band(1_stripe)7578_01

the image file name was renamed to:
rubber_latex_arm_band_1_stripe_7578_01

Notice the new file name does not have the ().

Can anyone else try an image with () in the filename and try to add additional images and see what behavour happens.

He didn't get an answer to his question in this thread (unless I missed it), but perhaps he did in another thread:

http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67679&page=2

It seems that circular brackets (parentheses to Americans) in image filenames...these things: ()...do indeed send IH2 into a spin. Oddly enough (except to coders I suppose), square brackets [] do not. (I can confirm this.)

Given that naming files with parentheses is a common enough (although apparently frowned upon) way to name files, I would highly recommend this information be included in the IH2 readme file (it isn't, I checked).

Isn't life interesting? Especially when fossicking about you find such tidbits as these:

(On the Microsft website re Excel: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/123577) > Note Microsoft does not recommend using brackets or other special characters in paths or filenames. (Thanks Bill! er Ballmer. I wish I'd known this years ago.)

Desiderius Erasmus coined the term lunula to refer to the rounded parentheses (), recalling the round shape of the moon.

http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/erasmus.html> Erasmus stands as the supreme type of cultivated common sense applied to human affairs.

That's what's been missing in my life.

Some authors follow the convention in mathematical equations that, when parentheses have one level of nesting, the inner pair are parentheses and the outer pair are square brackets.

So there you have it - it was lunula all along.


One other thing I discovered was how to remove the annoying "alt" display overlapping the Image Handler mouseover image zooms: (timkroeger post #44 of this thread)

(Purists should turn away now...)

You could also edit line 78 of includes/functions/extra_functions/functions_bmz_image_handler.php (line number may be different for you) to pass an empty string for alt

...replace:

return array($src, '', intval($width), intval($height), $parameters);

with

return array($src, $alt, intval($width), intval($height), $parameters);

Thanks DivaVocals for your valiant attempts to help - it was and is appreciated. And yes, you do have to have SAFE MODE turned off in the php.ini file in the home directory. BTW this is the default. And, yes, of course, the image folders do have to be writeable.

But for me it was those loonytune lunulas.

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Re: Image Handler 2 (for ZC v1.3.8 ONLY) Support

Erasmus you forsook me!

I got it round the wrong way! To stop the alt display (and it's not necessarily recommended)...

replace:

return array($src, [B]$alt[/B], intval($width), intval($height), $parameters);

with

return array($src, [B]''[/B], intval($width), intval($height), $parameters);

...around line 78 of includes/functions/extra_functions/functions_bmz_image_handler.php

Sorry.